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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: ---------Easter time again!--------- Reply with quote

Celebrate this?
Most guys all believe that the ten Commandments are O.T. stuff, until you come to the law that are from the pen of Moses. Then you are in a bind! Notice Deut. 31:9-11 then on up to verse 24-26 "And Moses wrote this law..." "Take this book of the law, and put it in [the side] of the Ark.." (not inside) What was, & is inside the Ark dear friend?

There was nothing in the Ark save the two tables of stone! 1Ki.8:9

The law of Moses are these seen in 2Chron. 8:13. "Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandments of Moses, on the Sabbaths, ('s') and on the new moons and on the [solemn feasts], three times in the year, even in the feast of [unleavened bread], and in the feast of the tabernacles."

You say that all law is nailed to the cross & then tell us that we need to keep a Easter instead, because of a resurrection? Lets check Acts 12:1-5?

Notice verse one. Herod the king was to vex the church. Which church was Peter a member of? Israel of old, or Christ' new offshoot? Verse 5 tells us Peter was looked up by his former friends request?

Notice who were KEEPING the.. 'days of unleavened bread' (v.3) Now called Easter for the first & only time. It [WAS NOT PETER keeping this day, he was in jail!]
"And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison,...[intending after Easter] to bring him forth [to the people.]" v. 4 And remember that in verse 1-3 the church was vexed & James was killed, ...it pleased
the Jews who were keeping this [feast day] you call Easter!

Whose side are you folk on friend? You still want to destroy the Royal Law that are still inside the Ark in heaven try Rev. 11:19 & Rev. 22:8-9.

Two separate laws. One used to lead us to Christ, then the other one. The very LETTER or 'Epistle' of His Character to be re/created into the heart, This is the one 's'atan wants to 'void' out! 2Cor. 3:3 & try Rom. 3:13

Christ' death did away with the law that Moses wrote, the one that you all now, want to keep! And Paul talks about a 'new gospel' in Gal.1:6-9..
'another gospel...which [is not] another...there be some that trouble you and [pervert] the gospel of Christ...accursed...If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, [let him be accursed.]"

"I am afraid of you...Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years."! (all plural) You have repeated the exact same history as God requireth, only you are on the wrong side of the Everlasting Gospel!! Read all of Gal. 4:4-11. And in verse 19 of chapter 3 of Gal. it stated when Moses law would cease. And why it was added. Its service was used in the Sanctuary service to bring souls to Christ.

Can you be sure?
In Acts 15:1-24 you can be sure. "And certain men....taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the [manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved."]
Was that all? No. Hardly! verse two tells us that Paul & Barnabus went up to Jerusalem unto thr elders and the apostles about this problem. But notice after they got there in verse 4. (this below is what you are doing also)
"But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was (NO.1) needful to circumcise them , and (NO.2) to command them to [keep the law of Moses.]" verse 5. This is exactly what the Catholic church & ALL her Harlot Daughters are doing! (and you also!)

A mistake? check verse 24!! "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, [subverting your souls,] (notice, Twice Again) saying, Ye must be circumcised, [and] keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:.."

Just some closing thoughts? Who will hear us? try 1Jn. 4:6 If a person will not look it up?.. the thought then comes to mind, that their thoughts will very soon, come to a halt.
The closing thoughts take us to the time of what your perverted gospel, calls the resurrection????

The offshoot denomination are all still keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath
commandment! It started at Fri. sundown & closed when?? Think!

SATURDAY AT SUNDOWN!! After Saturday sunset, the spices that had been all prepared beforehand, found the women [waiting for daylight?] You got to be off your Spiritual Rocker!! It is hard for a non/Christian to understand what anyone who loves their master would do, it seems? Well, 'i' will tell you what they did! (while the men were all in hiding for fear, fear from the 'keepers' of Moses law)

The women are recorded to proceed.."..as it [began to dawn] toward the first day of the week.." when was this? Verse 2-6 & v. 6 says, "He is not here: for he is risen.." It is a fact that Christ was gone already! 'Easter'
sunrise? Hardly!! They were keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath! THEY WERE NOW DOING A WORK THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO BEFORE!! But again, when did they start this work sorrow?

Christ was gone well before daylight. Lets check another? But lets use the Apostates favorite, you never hear of these other passages in April, at least not in full context. "And when the Sabbath was past...And very early in the morning...they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Even this does not say
when the Master arose!

Another from Luke 24 in part. "Very early in the morning, they came ..
bringing spices which they had prepared..And they found the stone rolled away..And found not the body of the Lord Jesus." Again, the Evening & the Morning made the day, night first, and the light part last! What time was it? It is a Gospel Truth that Christ was already arisen BEFORE OUR Sunday HAD ANY SUNSHINE!

It seems that John who lived the longest, and who wrote the Rev. would
be able to give us a good report? He was inspired to pen his words in chapter 20 giving us the total thoughts of the Godhead from both angles.
He tells us about the women coming to the tomb & where the men were? And why they were in hiding. And also about the time of day it really was, as found in verses 1 & 19. In part it says,

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (notice the word EARLY again) when it was [yet dark,] unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre." When it was yet dark & Christ was gone already!!!

Remember that Jn. wrote Rev. near 96 A.D. 27 yrs after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. He could have 'tidied' any previous understanding up, if it had been needed.

Read on, for there was quite a commotion! We will continue on in verse 11. Mary is broken up & crying, and remember it is 'yet dark'
"and when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and she saw Jesus
standing, and [knew not] that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Again why did she not recognize him before? It was dark & she was weeping! (these were real tears friend!!)

Notice another point. Think about the thief on the cross which some say went straight into paradise that same day that he died? Remember that Jesus was in the grave nearly three day before his resurrection. In verse 17 He tells us that, "..Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father.." Yet what day does the Gospel tell us that this was? Notice verse 19,

"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, where the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.." And some of the professed call this a worship service. But again verse one call this.. "while it was yet dark"! Here it is the same day, AND the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! Go slowly..it is dark, night & Sunday. (Or Saturday Night as we know it.) Do you remember that the Sabbath was past at SUNSET? And in Gen. 1, the dark part comes first? The Gospel says that the 'evening and the morning were the first day.' try Gen. 1:5 & 8 & 13 & 19 & 23 & Gen. 2:2-3 man was created and the Sabbath given.

Is your message something new? Hardly!
"And he (satan-great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession*) shall speak great words against the most High....and think to change times and laws.." Dan. 7:25

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that were against us..took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.."

You do [your] thing, (try Eph. 6:12) but re/read the Gospel, stating that, 's'atan will.."think to change times and laws." The 'Remnant' will have NO part with that! Then see Eze. 9! Yes, there was the SDA R&H
reporting to have a Easter Sunrise service a short time ago, a hundred of them??
But God asks, "What is new? Nothing new under the sun." They tell us! Try Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl.3:15

In the Masters service for the quick ending of His work,
Pastor N.B.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: ---------Easter time again!--------- Reply with quote

John the Baptist wrote:
You say that all law is nailed to the cross & then tell us that we need to keep a Easter instead, because of a resurrection? Pastor N.B.


I don't know about anyone else, but I say we don't need to keep anything.

That's the thing I take issue with in this Adventist teaching you and some others on these boards present. I've got nothing against going to church on Saturday. I have nothing against taking Saturday off from work. Would God, I could take Friday, Saturday and Sunday off from work! I've also got nothing against celebrating Easter. Would God, it fell on a weekday so I could take a day off from work.

But this idea that having church on Saturday is a requirement and if it's not kept we're in danger of the judgement of God, that's where you are playing the role "of certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed" who said it was necessary for the early Christians to keep the law. This teaching is Biblically untenable, and has been shown to be so over and over on these boards.

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This is exactly what the Catholic church & ALL her Harlot Daughters are doing! (and you also!)
Looks to me like the pot's calling the kettle black here.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we don't keep easter anyway. we celebrate a resurrection-- the resurrection of Christ, who conquered death for us-- and most of us celebrate it everyday.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:26 am    Post subject: Easter time again!--------- Reply with quote

Easter time again!---------What's wrong with that? Christians will celebrate
Christ defeating death, when He rose from the grave. But as Sheila said we celebrate that every day.

Zathrus, I heard this said & I pretty much believe it. You may not!
But here goes: >The law is perfect!< But man is not! There was no way that man could keep the law. The law will not save you. It is only the accepting of Jesus Christ & the shedding of His blood on the cross that we are saved.
It was only Jesus sacrifice on the cross that saved even the saints of old.
He releasd them from their imprisonment in Hades.They are now in Paradise. That is my take on the subject. Smile
God Bless You, & Sheila,


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Count me in! I celebrate Christ's death and resurrection, and am thankful for God's gift of eternal life, every day. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: ---------Easter time again!--------- Reply with quote

Zathrus wrote:
John the Baptist wrote:
You say that all law is nailed to the cross & then tell us that we need to keep a Easter instead, because of a resurrection? Pastor N.B.


I don't know about anyone else, but I say we don't need to keep anything.


(removed for bottom line)

*****
Does that match up with the Masters Word? Hardly!! Crying or Very sad
One thing for sure friend, is that ALL of these 'testimonials' of ours are recorded in the heavenly record books! See the last verses of Eccl. 12.

You best do some soul searching on the most simple of the Lord's questions to the saved followers of His! "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS". Then there is another one seen in Acts 5:32 for the ONLY ones that are His Followers to begin with! See Rom. 8:14 also.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, Do you keep all His commandments?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
John, Do you keep all His commandments?

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Hi, I surely try! He said that I can do ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST, & that [HE} STRENGENETH ME. And surely I believe the Word of my Master! Also see Pauls testimony in 2 Cor. 12:9 of his Master! But surely, one must be Born Again in the first place to have the DESIRE of Loving Obedience. Amen.

Just wondering if you have killed lately? Or murdered? Or comitted adultary? According to your questioning post, perhaps so?? But, we know what you are driving at, huh? Sabbath keeping! All of Heb. 13:20's Everlasting Covenant commandments are OK, but that one, huh? Lets see, the Master healed on the GodHead's Sabbath day, and the Master plucked corn, right?

So go read Isa. 42:21 & see if that sheds any 'magnification' for your question? Indeed, if that is your reasoning?

By the way, does Psalms 19:13 tell you anything?? Or James 2:8-12? Or Eccl. 12's last verses???
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good John wrote:
Hi, I surely try! He said that I can do ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST, & that [HE} STRENGENETH ME.


Very good answer.

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But surely, one must be Born Again in the first place to have the DESIRE of Loving Obedience. Amen.


I agree 100%.


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Just wondering if you have killed lately? Or murdered? Or comitted adultary? According to your questioning post, perhaps so??


I don't believe so John. Wink

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But, we know what you are driving at, huh? Sabbath keeping!


I gotta admit you got me there, Ididn't fool ya did I?
No John I truly was wondering how you were able to keep the commandments & laws, when the people of the old Covenant couldn't.
That is the exact reason that God made the new Covenant.

As far as your belief in the day of the Sabbath, I don't want to get into that that's been hashed around thru these boards enough.
I know your belief & you know mine. Let's leave it at that. OK?
Peace & God's Blessings,
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
Very good John wrote:
Hi, I surely try! He said that I can do ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST, & that [HE} STRENGENETH ME.


Very good answer.

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But surely, one must be Born Again in the first place to have the DESIRE of Loving Obedience. Amen.


I agree 100%.


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Just wondering if you have killed lately? Or murdered? Or comitted adultary? According to your questioning post, perhaps so??


I don't believe so John. Wink

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But, we know what you are driving at, huh? Sabbath keeping!


I gotta admit you got me there, Ididn't fool ya did I?
No John I truly was wondering how you were able to keep the commandments & laws, when the people of the old Covenant couldn't.
That is the exact reason that God made the new Covenant.

As far as your belief in the day of the Sabbath, I don't want to get into that that's been hashed around thru these boards enough.
I know your belief & you know mine. Let's leave it at that. OK?
Peace & God's Blessings,


******
Hi, No, I do not know [your] beliefs, do I?
I do have a fairly good take on ex/Protestant doctrine perhaps.

Anyway, do you understand 1 John 5:16-17? And James 1:15?

Perhaps where one differs doctrinewise (denomination-one Faith) is
along the line of Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant? I see no purpose of a tree for testing in the middle of the garden of Eden if God did in fact creat His 'perfect' creation [ALSO] with a PERFECTED MORAL [MATURED] CHARACTER. I see NO possibilites of the old & new Covenant changings the creation of the GodHead's ETERNAL [CONDITIONS]! Just an enlargment (Isa. 42:21 Magnification) of there placement! See 2 Cor. 3:3 & Heb. 10:15-16

But regardless: Have it your way. Yet, where does that leave 'any' discussion left with us here then?? Seems that the Rev. 18:4 Truth is Truth, and about this you say that everything has already been said, (The GodHeads Sabbath) has been said? Is this what you are saying? I wonder if everyone here is of that same mindset? Are we to conclude that we are the ones that have our feet in the verse as 'Partakers' & as sound as set up concrete with our DECISION FINAL, one way or the other?? See Gen. 4:3's Word of 'Strive'. Or perhaps you think that that too is, 'old' ex/covenant?

---John
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John,
I'll try to answer some of your post I don't have much time.
Here goes.

1John 5:16-17
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16If you see a Christian brother or sister sinning in a way that does not lead to death, you should
pray, and God will give that person life. But there is a sin that leads to death, and I am not saying you should pray for those who commit it. 17Every wrong is sin, but not all sin leads to death.


The first part of the verse speaks for itself, the second part is the sin that leads to death, the unforgivable sin, blaspheming the Holy Ghost! It is usless to pray for those that commit this sin.

That is my understanding of 1John 5: 16-17

James 1: 14-16
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14Temptation comes from the lure of our own evil desires. 15These evil desires lead to evil actions, and evil actions lead to death. 16So don't be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.


This seem pretty easy to understand. You lead me to verse 15 do you feel that I have evil desires? I asure you I do not!

Don't be mislead by our own evil desires that is what I got from these three verses.


Rev. 18: 4-5
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4Then I heard another voice calling from heaven, "Come away from her, my people. Do not take part in her sins, or you will be punished with her. 5For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God is ready to judge her for her evil deeds.


What does that have to do with me? That is the fall of Babylon.
As a born again christian, I live every day for him. I don't intend to be there..


I've got some scripture for you.

Matthew 22: 34-40
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The Most Important Commandment

34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees with his reply, they thought up a fresh question of their own to ask him. 35One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?"
37Jesus replied, " `You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39A second is equally important: `Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."


Outa Time I gotta go,
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wonder at those who so adamantly insist on keeping a sabbath on saturday - because it is the law - but surely have sin in thier lives. Do they feel that praying on saturday will make God look past the other sin?

There are 10 commandments, a whole book of laws, and yet they tout one commandment as if it is the be all and end all of salvation. does not self-deceipt count as a lie as well?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
Hi John,
I'll try to answer some of your post I don't have much time.
Here goes.

1John 5:16-17
Quote:
16If you see a Christian brother or sister sinning in a way that does not lead to death, you should
pray, and God will give that person life. But there is a sin that leads to death, and I am not saying you should pray for those who commit it. 17Every wrong is sin, but not all sin leads to death.


The first part of the verse speaks for itself, the second part is the sin that leads to death, the unforgivable sin, blaspheming the Holy Ghost! It is usless to pray for those that commit this sin.

That is my understanding of 1John 5: 16-17

James 1: 14-16
Quote:
14Temptation comes from the lure of our own evil desires. 15These evil desires lead to evil actions, and evil actions lead to death. 16So don't be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.


This seem pretty easy to understand. You lead me to verse 15 do you feel that I have evil desires? I asure you I do not!

Don't be mislead by our own evil desires that is what I got from these three verses.


Rev. 18: 4-5
Quote:
4Then I heard another voice calling from heaven, "Come away from her, my people. Do not take part in her sins, or you will be punished with her. 5For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God is ready to judge her for her evil deeds.


What does that have to do with me? That is the fall of Babylon.
As a born again christian, I live every day for him. I don't intend to be there..


I've got some scripture for you.

Matthew 22: 34-40
Quote:
The Most Important Commandment

34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees with his reply, they thought up a fresh question of their own to ask him. 35One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?"
37Jesus replied, " `You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39A second is equally important: `Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."


Outa Time I gotta go,


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Hi, one thing is for sure, your post sounds [NOTHING] like the above one! Wink

Anyway: On the Rev. 18:4 thought, regardless of being Babylon or not, it seems to me that we ARE PARTAKERS of any denominations OPEN known filth & sin. Regardless of what the sin is.

It seems also that the USA law finds this the case also. (accesary after the fact)

And we see in Matt. 10:15 (I think that is the verse?) that the Desolate Israel'ie 'Fold' of Christ (see Matt. 23:38) are to be judges worse than that of S. & G. if they [will not hear.]

Surely the Virgin parable of Matt. 25 was a "GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM".

By the way, I did not apply the James 1:15 verse to any one in particular. The thought was that it is the 'conception' of sin that makes sin. And the 'end' (not the first time done) that brings forth death. The 'Sin against the Holy Spirit's fullness'. See Psalms 19:13

Take care, in Christ for a quick ending to the mess the earth is in!
Pastor N.B.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: ---------Easter time again!--------- Reply with quote

John wrote:
Hi, one thing is for sure, your post sounds [NOTHING] like the above one! Very Happy

John haven't you ever heard the saying that curiosity killed the cat!
John I would never atempt to convence you to believe as I do.
I might tell what I believe. But I'm not going to tell someone that he's going to hell because he doesn't believe as I do either. I'm not saying that you do. But I've read a lot of your posts, & somewhere I've read where you believe as the 7th day Adventist do?
They've told me & others we are going to Hell.
Just because our sabbath is on Sunday.
Have A good day.
Nobby


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...Just because our sabbath is on Sunday

Nobby, this statement is not entirely correct. Our day chosen to worship is Sunday, but that does not make it 'our sabbath'. We are admonished to worship Him everyday, or anyday. Nothing in the 10 commandments equates the Sabbath to the day chosen to worship - again, that is another invention of man.

SDA's take their constructs - constructs of man - and try to cloak it in scriptural dictate, when it is clearly not. Sabbath is a day of rest, a day to stop from labor, the command to keep it holy is a command to sanctify one in 7 days - to leave it untouched as a day to cease from labor.

Nothing in the big 10 tells us that it is to be designated as the day for worship.
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