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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
Posts: 51
Location: 'in the wilderness'
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 Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: ---------Easter time again!--------- |
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| Nobby wrote: | | John wrote: | Hi, one thing is for sure, your post sounds [NOTHING] like the above one!  |
John haven't you ever heard the saying that curiosity killed the cat!
John I would never atempt to convence you to believe as I do.
I might tell what I believe. But I'm not going to tell someone that he's going to hell because he doesn't believe as I do either. I'm not saying that you do. But I've read a lot of your posts, % somewhere I've read where you believe as the 7th day Adventist do?
They've told me & others we are going to Hell.
Just because our sabbath is on Sunday.
Have A good day.
Nobby |
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Well, using your logic, whatever you call yourself (? 'fold/wise') You must know of some of your brethern, that say that for others that do not believe as they do will go to hell, huh?
I am not or [never will be] a S.D.A. But much of my family are.
Yet, telling you that you are going to hell is hard for me to believe was meant? Perhaps you are attempting the reading of 'their' mind? But the reason is that NO one knows a persons 'mind'. (heart & love for the creator of the universe) Sour 'fruit' could be ignorance at first?
I will say, that when one is convicted of sin & continues on, they are in danger of hell  . And if they continue on in KNOWN CONVICTED sin, (quench & grieving the Holy Spirit Rom. 8:14) there will be a mature time of testing. And probation will cease or they will be MATURE [IN] CHRIST! Rom. 8:1. Settled in the Faith! |
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Nobby
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Joined: 03 Oct 2003
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Location: Palmyra,Missouri USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| JP wrote: | | Nobby wrote: | | ...Just because our sabbath is on Sunday |
Nobby, this statement is not entirely correct. |
JP, maybe not, what I meant was that I go to church service on Sunday. But I worship Him all week.  |
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MoJo
Big Guppy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have to double check this, but I believe that the Israelite priests did not even work on the sabbath. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Nobby
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Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Posts: 278
Location: Palmyra,Missouri USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: ---------Easter time again!--------- |
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| John wrote: | | Well, using your logic, whatever you call yourself (? 'fold/wise') You must know of some of your brethern, that say that for others that do not believe as they do will go to hell, huh? |
Sadly I do, to me that is the worst way that a christian could approach a non-beliver, telling them they are going hell if they don't change their ways. It is one thing to hear this preached from the pulpit, & alow the Holy Spirit speak to their heart. But it's another to point the finger.
John, I am of the protestant faith, to be exact Assembly of God.
| Quote: | I am not or [never will be] a S.D.A. But much of my family are.
Yet, telling you that you are going to hell is hard for me to believe was meant? |
Perhaps not? But since S.D.A.'s have joind the the 3 sister boards that I administrate. They have tried so hard to get other members to come over to their beliefs. Instead of working on the nonbeliever, (the lost) they try to work on the born again christians, which they believe are lost!
| Quote: | | Perhaps you are attempting the reading of 'their' mind? But the reason is that NO one knows a persons 'mind'. (heart & love for the creator of the universe) Sour 'fruit' could be ignorance at first? |
Naw reading minds is not one of my gifts. Don't think I would want that one. 
You don't have to read their minds, just read their posts.
Sour 'fruit' could be ignorance at first? Yes you are right, but it can get old after a while.
| Quote: | | I will say, that when one is convicted of sin & continues on, they are in danger of hell . And if they continue on in KNOWN CONVICTED sin, (quench & grieving the Holy Spirit Rom. 8:14) there will be a mature time of testing. And probation will cease or they will be MATURE [IN] CHRIST! Rom. 8:1. Settled in the Faith! |
I believe in all of this quote! Very Good!
Take Care,
Nobby
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | I would have to double check this, but I believe that the Israelite priests did not even work on the sabbath. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Hi, I don't know who you are asking this of? but, the leaders of Israel made shipwreck of all Bibical Virgin doctrines. Please read Isa. 42:21 & see some reasons why the Lord came!
And please be advised, ( ) Sabbath keeping NEVER saves a person! (nor professed Sabbath keeping as in their case) Yet, if the LOVE FOR CHRIST is there, re/created, it [WILL BE AS HE COMMANDED]. "If ye LOVE me, keep my Commandments". |
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RevJP
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Location: State of Grace
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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So keeping the 'sabbath' will not save a person, but a person who LOVES the Lord will keep it, so a person not keeping the sabbath is unsaved not because of the sabbath, but because he doesn't love God.
Is this about the right of it? |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
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Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | So keeping the 'sabbath' will not save a person, but a person who LOVES the Lord will keep it, so a person not keeping the sabbath is unsaved not because of the sabbath, but because he doesn't love God.
Is this about the right of it? |
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[Any] known sin continued on with blatant disregard, will find one before long, Christless! You, me or anyone else. 1 Thess. 5:19-Eph. 4:30 (if they had 'known' Christ to begin with?) Do these know that they are Christless? King Saul thought otherwise! See 1 Sam. 15:20
And yes the Holy Spirit had been given Saul & shortly after this, He left Saul. Yet, who was at fault? (1 Sam. 11:6 & 1 Sam. 16:14) Then who took control?
By the way, why should this not be understood? See Gen. 6:3's last part of verse. Surely things are not much different today, huh? |
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Zathrus
Little Guppy
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Nothing in the 10 commandments equates the Sabbath to the day chosen to worship - again, that is another invention of man.
SDA's take their constructs - constructs of man - and try to cloak it in scriptural dictate, when it is clearly not. Sabbath is a day of rest, a day to stop from labor, the command to keep it holy is a command to sanctify one in 7 days - to leave it untouched as a day to cease from labor.
Nothing in the big 10 tells us that it is to be designated as the day for worship. |
That's an excellent point, Rev. The 4th commandments only reads "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy". As for how exactly the Israelites were supposed to do that, they were given many additional commandments that detailed what could and could not be done on the Sabbath.
But the same folks who insist the Sabbath must be observed on Saturday also insist that all the commandments detailing how to observe it passed away at the time of Christ.
Their modern-day concept of celebrating the Sabbath is a religious tradition created by man. |
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larryjf
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:00 am Post subject: |
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The sabbath law does not stop with the 7th day either. The sabbath law also demands a rest and a setting free on the 7th year.
You cannot stop at Ex 20 for the sabbath law, it continues on in Ex 21 and 23.
The 7th year you are to set your slaves free and give your land rest. |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
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Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| larryjf wrote: | The sabbath law does not stop with the 7th day either. The sabbath law also demands a rest and a setting free on the 7th year.
You cannot stop at Ex 20 for the sabbath law, it continues on in Ex 21 and 23.
The 7th year you are to set your slaves free and give your land rest. |
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Are you 'up' on what the '7th.' year prophesied for? Just wondering. Most here most likely do not think that Num. 14:32 or Eze. 4:6 & Lev. 25:6-13 have any connection or bearing with Christ's high priestly work in & on the other side of the vail that went rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand making way into the 'Most Holy' place in the heavenly Sanctuary itself?? (at least the first two referances)
But: The [bottom line] is that the Royal 'EVERLASTING' Covenant of (Heb. 13:20) the GodHead {{NEVER}} connects Moses Deut. 31 law with the 'tables of stone' that God penned! This IS & WAS before even Luciffer was in rebellion! T-H-I-N-K, ( ) what [IS] before EVERLASTING??? Surely not Moses stuff! |
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MoJo
Big Guppy
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Are you 'up' on what the '7th.' year prophesied for? Just wondering. Most here most likely do not think that Num. 14:32 or Eze. 4:6 & Lev. 25:6-13 have any connection or bearing with Christ's high priestly work |
I can't say I'm up on it as yet, but the mosaic law is a pattern of heavenly things and much can be learned about God's plan by studying it as a similitude. In fact, much of the OT is a similitude. |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
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Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | Quote: | | Are you 'up' on what the '7th.' year prophesied for? Just wondering. Most here most likely do not think that Num. 14:32 or Eze. 4:6 & Lev. 25:6-13 have any connection or bearing with Christ's high priestly work |
I can't say I'm up on it as yet, but the mosaic law is a pattern of heavenly things and much can be learned about God's plan by studying it as a similitude. In fact, much of the OT is a similitude. |
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Agreed!
Psalms 77:13 states that 'God's [way is in the Sanctuary]'. The Vail seperated the two compartments. Christ's death finished the work of the Mosaic pattern leading to the original Truths! See Rev.'s first few books. (chapter 1:10, and verse 12, + verse 20 & chapter 2:1 + many more, o'yes check *Rev. 8:3-5!) The 'day for year' study is for sincere sickers. The ones wanting to really know God's way. (off the milk of Heb. 5) Check the Master's truth of Matt. 4:4 |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:27 am Post subject: |
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The sabbath is a rest. God completed His work and rested. In as much as the rest comes after the work is completed, we now have our rest because Christ completed the work.
There is nothing left to be done to assure our forgiveness and salvation, Christ did the work for us, subsequently we are in our sabbath rest. |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
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Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | The sabbath is a rest. God completed His work and rested. In as much as the rest comes after the work is completed, we now have our rest because Christ completed the work.
There is nothing left to be done to assure our forgiveness and salvation, Christ did the work for us, subsequently we are in our sabbath rest. |
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What is next then? You are saying 'nothing' right?
Do you give offence with my seeing a comparision with Dr. Robert Schuller & yourself? Or am I misreading your theology?
Here is his quote in the Los Angeles Herald Examiner, September 19. 1987.
"It,s time for Protestants to go to the shepard (the pope) and say 'what do we have to do to come home?' " It seems that you are saying that we are already there? We are 'resting' the sabbath day rest??? This is the 'unity' that Christ prayed for??? |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 11:53 am Post subject: |
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I take no offense becasue I do not equate myself with others and I try not to pigeon-hole others in order to better demean them.
As to what you quoted from Dr. Schuller: I did not say nor imply anythng like that. So please address what I do post and not what you want to invent to debate about. Christ completed our work, we have our rest - in Him. We do not do good works because we have to to earn our salvation. We obey the Word of our Lord - because we LOVE Him and want to show our LOVE for Him and His gift of Grace.
Everytime you mention an idea of 'we must do this, or that' you steal from the gift of God's grace and of the completed work of Christ on our behalf. When Christ died on the cross He died for our sins, not only did He die for them, God transferred our sins from us to Him and they died with Him - all of them, past, present, and future. Not only did He sacrifice Himself for us, He died in our place.
When we ask forgiveness and confess our belief in Christ and give our lives to Him God transfers us to that cross - the old self dies there and our new self - in Christ - is born. We are transferred to the cross and Christ is transferred to us. The work is done, the condemnation of the law is lifted from us, the punishment for our transgressions has been paid. We are in our rest, living a new life in Christ. |
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