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StarLight Not So Newbie
Joined: 14 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:23 am Post subject: Moon =John Sun=Paul stars= Children of Ressurection |
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I see everything symbolic and I'm just sharing from my own perspective. A reflection of the New Testament in the Old.
Now the stars were for SIGNS what kind of Sign? Elsewhere it says Here I am and the CHILDREN GOD HAS GIVEN ME we are FOR SIGNS (I believe its in psalms) I believe elsewhere it says He calls THEM by NAME.
Now if you go to the gospels (were still looking for the sign as did John know about the signs)
Look at Lazarus. AFTER TWO DAYS Jesus was told that Lazarus was SICK right? What did Jesus do? HE WAITED TWO MORE DAYS. On the FOURTH DAY Jesus comes to him. But HE DID WAIT (HINT).
Jesus says, "This sickness is not unto death" (though Jesus states later that He is DEAD).
Now in proverbs (I believe) it says HOPE DEFERED MAKES THE HEART SICK.
Heres the Workings of our SALVATION in this very picture. Lazarus HOPED AGAINST HOPE AND DIED not recieving the promises (as Paul states in times past). But heres the beauty. Jesus WANTED HIM TO DIE.
Why?
For PRECIOUS IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD IS THE DEATH OF HIS SAINTS. On the *Fourth day Jesus calls to LAZARUS.
"LAZARUS COME FORTH" Take off the grave clothes LET HIM LOOSE.
Here is *LAZARUS(CALLED BY NAME) (FOURTH DAY) and is a SIGN (AS ALL STARS ARE) to all Isreal as was Jesus Christ. Just as the Angel told Mary He would be a SIGN to be *SPOKEN AGAINST. Hes IN THE RESSURECTION= CHRIST. CHRIST IS THE RESSURECTION ITSELF.
A SIGN to be SPOKEN AGAINST ARE THOSE BORN OF THE SPIRIT which are persecuted by the NATURAL MAN. NOTE they sought to KILL LAZARUS as well (Reason? They were believing in JESUS not THEM anymore).
AWESOME STUFF!!!!
Notice Jesus is troubled when they say, "Could not this Jesus keep Lazarus from dying"? The point is we MUST DIE that the Life of Christ who is THE RESSURECTION be revealed IN US as STARS to BECOME A SIGN.
So hope defered makes the heart sick (sickness does not lead to death- a paradox in the picture) BUT A LONGING FULFILLED IS THE TREE OF LIFE.
THATS KILLER!!! What WISDOM IS IN THIS PICTURE!!! The Ressurection on the fourth day.
Now there are TWO GREAT LIGHTS.
The MOON (lesser Light to govern the Night) those in darkness do not know what they do (Natural man)
As John who was one born of WOMEN (Jesus said) there was NONE GREATER then John the Baptist (He was a LIGHT=*LESSER LIGHT).
The Law prophesied until JOHN. So heres the MOON (Or Man/ Moses died 120 years old= Man in Genesis God would not strive with forever= HIS DAYS ARE NUMBERED.
John is as the MOON = TURNED TO BLOOD. Beheaded for the Testimony of Christ. Christ does not accept mans testimony any longer. John was a light that BURNED FOR A TIME. And Jesus said you choose to enjoy that light. BUT I HAVE A GREATER TESTIMONY THEN THAT OF JOHN. John had to DECREASED (MOON UNDER FEET) that HE (CHRIST) might INCREASE.
BUT HE that is LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS "GREATER" THEN HE (JOHN)
NOW we have THE SUN as PAUL (SAVED BY HIS GOSPEL=Everlasting Gospel) Who did NOT learn it from men *But RECIEVED IT BY A REVELATION.
THIS IS THE GREATER TESTIMONY OF THE SPIRIT. PAUL LEAST OF ALL THE APPOSTLES was GREATER THEN JOHN because HE HAD THE TESTIMONY OF THE SPIRIT.
The SUN RULES "THE DAY"= We are CHILDREN OF THE DAY.
All the HEAVENLY HOST are seen in this picture and my above post to you about the STARS. =Fourth Day. (but the account is in Gen2:4) After the Sevent Day (Cross of Christ).
WE ARE *ALREADY SEATED WITH CHRIST IN HEAVENLY PLACES Paul said.
The Stars are Gods Children (a light in a dark world) CHILDREN OF THE RESSURECTION are as the ANGELS.
Moon (LESSER LIGHT RULE THE NIGHT)= John= Turned to BLOOD= MUST DECREASE = BEHEADED for the WORD OF GOD.
SUN (GREATER LIGHT) BY REVELATION= PAUL= MUST INCREASE
STARS= Children of the RESSURECTION= CALLED BY NAME (LAZARUS)
In Him
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Lone-Traveler Little Guppy
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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How about:
Sun is Christ,
Moon is church,
Stars are the members of the church.
Sun...
Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Gen 19:23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Exd 17:12 But Moses' hands [were] heavy; and they took a stone, and put [it] under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Num 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Deu 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
Deu 24:13 In any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down, that he may sleep in his own raiment, and bless thee: and it shall be righteousness unto thee before the LORD thy God.
Deu 33:14 And for the precious fruits [brought forth] by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
Jos 8:29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, [that remaineth] unto this day.
Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Jdg 5:31 So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but [let] them that love him [be] as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years.
Jdg 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What [is] sweeter than honey? and what [is] stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
2Sa 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give [them] unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
2Sa 12:12 For thou didst [it] secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
2Sa 23:4 And [he shall be] as the light of the morning, [when] the sun riseth, [even] a morning without clouds; [as] the tender grass [springing] out of the earth by clear shining after rain.
2Ki 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
2Ch 18:34 And the battle increased that day: howbeit the king of Israel stayed [himself] up in [his] chariot against the Syrians until the even: and about the time of the sun going down he died.
Neh 7:3 And I said unto them, Let not the gates of Jerusalem be opened until the sun be hot; and while they stand by, let them shut the doors, and bar [them]: and appoint watches of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, every one in his watch, and every one [to be] over against his house.
Job 8:16 He [is] green before the sun, and his branch shooteth forth in his garden.
Job 30:28 I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, [and] I cried in the congregation.
Job 31:26 If I beheld the sun when it shined, or the moon walking [in] brightness;
Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Psa 50:1 [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] The mighty God, [even] the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
Can you find references to these passsages in the New testament concerning Jesus and the church and it's members?
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Lone-Traveler Little Guppy
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Psa 72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
Psa 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and [men] shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
Psa 74:16 The day [is] thine, the night also [is] thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.
Psa 84:11 For the LORD God [is] a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good [thing] will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.
Psa 104:22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.
Psa 113:3 From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name [is] to be praised.
Psa 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
Ecc 1:3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?
Ecc 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of [such as were] oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors [there was] power; but they had no comforter.
Ecc 4:15 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.
Ecc 5:13 There is a sore evil [which] I have seen under the sun, [namely], riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt.
Ecc 7:11 Wisdom [is] good with an inheritance: and [by it there is] profit to them that see the sun.
Ecc 8:17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek [it] out, yet he shall not find [it]; yea further; though a wise [man] think to know [it], yet shall he not be able to find [it].
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race [is] not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Ecc 11:7 Truly the light [is] sweet, and a pleasant [thing it is] for the eyes to behold the sun:
Sgs 6:10 Who [is] she [that] looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, [and] terrible as [an army] with banners?
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
Isa 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
Isa 38:8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
Isa 41:25 I have raised up [one] from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as [upon] morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.
Isa 49:10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isa 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
Isa 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
Jer 15:9 She that hath borne seven languisheth: she hath given up the ghost; her sun is gone down while [it was] yet day: she hath been ashamed and confounded: and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the LORD.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
Dan 6:14 Then the king, when he heard [these] words, was sore displeased with himself, and set [his] heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Amo 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Jon 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, [It is] better for me to die than to live.
Mic 3:6 Therefore night [shall be] unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
Nah 3:17 Thy crowned [are] as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, [but] when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they [are].
Hab 3:11 The sun [and] moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, [and] at the shining of thy glittering spear.
Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
just some things to ponder...
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