what defines a christian.

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

how do we know if we're really saved,is it feeling the presence of the Holy Ghost touching our souls.what of works,are we really christians if we do no different to any other person.is our faith proved by our works.for is our faith dead without works,does this mean we had no faith to begin with.what of works, if we bring no fruit to perfection,are we really saved, if we don't help save others lives is our life really saved.can we serve God without helping others.
does anybody still use this site,been dead a few days.any replies would be appreciated.
God bless.
paul

Nobby · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: what defines a christian.

Hi Paul.

How do we know if we're saved? Because if we believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and arose on the third day defeating death. we are saved. Romans 10:10 below. So many verses in the bible tell me that.

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

thanks nobby that's really helped.
i have nothing more to post on this topic now,you've answered all my questions.
let me try something else,how do you define someone who's not a Christian and is there some who claim to be Christians and are not of Christ,how do you define these.
i've heard it said that if you're not following the right teachings you are not worshipping Christ,the Christ you may believe in may not be Christ.think that's what they were saying anyway.
we were talking about different churches having different beliefs,but can any member of any church,as long as they believe in Christ,be saved,does it really matter if they have interperated the bible in a different way from others.
i know most criticise the catholic traditions,and i see why,but can someone be brought to Christ through the teachings of a catholic,i'm not sure but don't they teach from the same bible and talk of the sacrifice God made for this world,and believe in the salvation of Christ.
anyway,thanks again nobby.
God bless.
paul

RevJP · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:08 pm Post subject:

First consider the difference between belief in Christ and reliance on Christ.

pisteuo means more than must believing in:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence

b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity

a) to be intrusted with a thing

That is the foundation of Christianity, the begining for those who are born again. The reliance on Christ as Lord and Savior - the rest starts from that.

Nobby · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:27 pm Post subject:

Van · Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject: What is a Christian

A Christian is someone who is "in Christ." We are put into Christ when we are baptised into Christ by the Holy Spirit. God puts us into Christ, for He has mercy on whom He has mercy.

When we place our faith in Christ, when we call on His name, we place our trust in Him as our Savior from the coming wrath of God. So to go through it slowly, first we must believe in God, the Father and be drawn by His word. Next, we must believe that God sent His son, Christ Jesus, to save that which was lost - namely ourselves, condemned due to our sinful state and our volitional sins, our trespasses. When we turn our self directed life over to Jesus, when we make Him Lord of our life, when we turn to God, that is called repentence. So repentence and faith, turning and trust are the conditions of humbling ourselves before God that God assesses and then, based on His sovereign action, He chooses us and sets us apart by baptizing us into Christ.

After we are baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ, the Holy Spirit indwells us, such that we are in Christ and Christ is in us. The felt influence of the Holy Spirit may occur immediately, as indicated in Acts by believers speaking in tongues before Peter finished his sermon, or it can be felt later, perhaps in conjuction with doing someing in obedience to God such as water baptism, or the laying on of hands by other believers.

Once we are baptized into the body of Christ, we arise in Christ a new Creature, with a steadfast faith in God and His Christ. God will protect that faith, so that even when we subsequently sin, we know it is wrong and we are not comfortable with sin in our life.

If the guilt is not sufficient to bring us to repentence, and we continue to ignore God, that indicates we lack faith in God. Since God protects our faith, those who claimed to believe, then when hardship comes, fall away, were never saved.

Bottom line, we can have assurance we are saved because we believe, and we can have confidence that we believe if we demonstrate our faith, if we exhibit the fruit of the Spirit which includes love of God, love of our brothers and sisters in the faith, and love of the lost.

shepreach · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject:

salvation changes you. once you let Christ in through the Holy Spirit, He begins to work in you. this is an inside out thing which is why we can't always tell whether some one else is a christian or not. God tells us to work out our own salvation, not to worry about some one else's. it's a lifestyle which depends solely on your relationship with God. i believe there are some truths in every denomination (not cult), but that none of them have the whole truth because that belongs to God. i don't think we'll be wearing tags with our denominations printed on them in heaven. if we wear tags at all they will say i'm covered by the blood-signed covenant made by Christ on the cross and i'm sealed by the Holy Spirit.
the Roman Catholic Church ( which i imagine is the one you mean -- the word catholic means universal) uses the same bible.

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

i've been speaking to what i think was catholics and they said their bible is slightly different from the king james ,they have a few more books i think ,i know they have at leat one.
someone quoted a verse out of ecclesiasticus i think it was called ,although i think it's refered to by another name also.
i looked in ecclesiates ,which didn't have the same number of books

i think we can tell a Christian by one who speaks the word of God ,although then you have the argument of which is the true word of God.
i think one who speaks of the spirit ,who truley speaks of Godly things and not about selfish needs or lusts.
one who speaks of serving God above all things ,one who only truley answers to God.
one who is filled with His love and His light shines from them.
i think you tell a Christian by what they speak of and what they want to achieve by what they speak of.
i think it's all about serving God and speaking of serving Him ,fullfilled with the love one to another as He as given us.
and by this wanting others to recieve this same gift.
God bless.
paul

Nobby · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:10 pm Post subject:

Paul,
God bless You Bro.
Nobby

John the Baptist · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:49 pm Post subject:

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

(Gen 4:7) If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

(Gen 4:3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
(Gen 4:4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
(Gen 4:5) But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

abel didn't serve God with all his heart he didn't give Him his all.
cain brought the best that he had ,abel didn't.

(Gen 4:6) And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

anger and jealousy ,envy started to take over cain ,he didn't learn from his brother or God ,but gave in to sin.

(Heb 11:4) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

God bless.

John the Baptist

What Law did Cain break? Crying or Very sad

Pastor N.B. here: (John)

God has the Eternal Gospel & His Eternal Covenant clearly seen in His Isaiah 8:20 verse for mans teaching & testing of truth. And in the New Testament His Word states both as Everlasting! See Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. It is impossible to have Truth without the two being united! It would be no different than to have in the Throne room of the Most Holy Place in heaven, the Ark of God with the Mercy Seat representing the Everlasting Gospel as the Righteousness of Christ.. yet, with the Ark being empty of the Eternal Covenant!? (the ten commandments) Or having the Ark with the Eternal Covenant inside, and then without the Eternal Mercy Seat of Christ! TRUTH requires ALL OF CHRIST! Rom. 8:1
It is impossible to separate!

Yet, we know that the one time covering cherub Lucifer, that stood above the Eternal Universal Covenant that is inside the Ark, and who was above the Mercy Seat that was the covering of the Ark in heaven, now makes his primary attack against the very Law of the Universe! See Daniel 7:25. All through mankind's history we see 'professed' Christians go to 'evil' extremes from only law too only Gospel! Back and forth!

The GodHead has NO Pendulum of swinging back & forth! His Truth is anchored securely in place! If one would understand the Sanctuary Truth, (representing the Rock of our Salvation) they would come to understand this. See Psalms 77:13. The Truth is clearly seen & understood inside of the Most Holy Place in heaven itself. Where Christ is now our heavenly attorney. (High Priest) When Christ died the 'Vail of separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand making the way into the heavenly, Most Holy Place' where the Ark of God is still Eternally in place, with the Covenant inside, and the Mercy Seat still above the 'broken' Covenant, where Christ now 'pleads our repentant on-going case'! And over the Mercy seat? There are still two covering cherubs with their wings covering the Ark of God! Yes, one of these two, replaced Lucifer there! See Eze. 28.

Psalms 77:13 is 'CHRIST' Rock Solid! It is the cast/aside one with the many names as seen in Rev. 12 that has the pendulum swing [from the Most Holy Place truth!] We see he & his helpers described as '1/3 fallen stars', 'red dragon', 'old serpent', (deceiveth the *whole world) And called 'satan'. Also that his war was in 'heaven' itself!! Yes, Eze. 28 tells of another Truth using the King of Tyrus as an 'object' lesson about the Lucifer of Isaiah 14:12-14. You do recall Christ telling Peter to.. 'get behind me satan'? Well in Eze. 28 we see an ex/covering cherub that was created & once in heaven! And the Bible only teaches Truth of one rebellion in heaven! And over in Isaiah 14 we see his name, while he was a covering cherub. God named him Lucifer. We also see that his warfare was for the purpose of having himself to be worshiped! This was against the first table of stone, the GodHeads Eternal Covenant. This is where his warfare 'swings' about! "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH" Verse 14 ibid.. He hates Christ with a devilish passion. And what does he zero in on in his attack? In 2 Cor. 3:3 we see that the Eternal Covenant is the very 'Epistle or Letter' of Christ! Profession of Christ, without His Moral Character is 1/2 Truth! This is 'Who' 's'atan hates and where he directs his hatred! The Character of God is LOVE!

And satan knows that the Eternal Covenant without the Eternal Righteousness of Christ is also No Gospel at all! So, all through history we see either all law, or No Law with just a 'nothing' of profession in 'c'hrist. And each & every time we see satan at work, swinging his satanic 'pendulum' masterpiece from one extreme side of truth to the other! For he knows that it takes both together, to be 'in' Christ! Rom. 8:14.

We are now seeing right before [our eyes] what is taking place with the devil 'blinding' the eyes of the worlds professed Christians.
We see what No Covenant Law has produced!! (check openly inside your churches) We are in the time of trouble that is leading up to the Mark of the Beast! The world & Christians have 'together' become Lawless! Now we will see the devil's pendulum swing the other way into, forced religion! (now comes his law of forced religion of worship to himself) Surely any worldings can see that all 'hell' so to speak, is now upon us? The Judgements of God were to come upon the old antediluvian world, Niniveh, and Sodom and Gomorrah because they were LAW BREAKERS! Wicked!! "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4

Yes! We are next!
REPENT??
Friends, the world will do anything to get out of what they have brought upon themselves, except REPENT! (surely only a few will heed the Masters call as seen in Rev. 18:4) Eight souls went into the Ark, only a few followed Christ out of Israel of old that made up the Remnant Church, and Rev. 12:17 tells us of the repeat! The larger majority of earth's inhabitants will use the devils power of forced worship, they will follow their leaders forward in doing anything to get out of the JUDGEMENTS OF GOD!
And what will these ones then say about the GodHeads Covenant being NAILED TO THE CROSS? About THEIR 7th. day Sabbath being a rest only in Christ?? Think about their rest in God's 'flood', 'fire' & 'slaughter'?

Well friend, it is going to be interesting for me at least, to see these pendulum swingers do their flip/flop! You need to study Roman's 13 for yourself, for this is the book that all of these pendulum swinger ones will next need to botch/up! See 2 Peter 3:14-16!

---John

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

cain didn't really break any law there was no law.
He didn't love the Lord with all His heart ,so you could say he broke this commandment.
cain became a servant of sin.
he didn't serve the Lord with all his heart therefore not pleasing Him and when sin came knocking he became a servant to it ,he had not enough devotion to God and became a servant to sin because of this.

God bless.

John the Baptist · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:45 am Post subject:

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

i don't know what your talking about ,you've lost me.
are you saying there's always been a law even for satan?
was it not worshipping God as God and thinking they were something of themselves?

(Rom 1:25 KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

did adam and cain do just that adam serving the creature of the serpent ,and putting fath in him instead of God ,and did cain follow his anger instead of keeping his eyes on God and serving Him as God and not serving his own sinful emotions?

(Joh 8:44 KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

i don't know please explain a little more simpler ,what law do you think cain broke?

God bless.