Is hell real?

paul · Little Goldfish Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 51

would you rather do exactly as you please ,do what you want and please yourself and live by what you decide is righteous?

or would you rather please your Creator ,and listen to Him and what He decides is righteous?

who knows best us or the one who created us?

which is the better life ours when we live to serve ourselves or Gods when we live to serve Him ?

the truth is there's no better feeling than truly serving God.
but when you serve yourself and your own desires ,your always unfulfilled.

your going no where without God ,you try all the doors but they lead nowhere.
it's only when you exept Christ is the door to the perfect path of righteousness and pure love opened.

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(Rom 1:21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(Rom 1:22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

i know this is refering to the beginning of creation and how sin sort of evolved from man.
but i also think in many ways it can be applied to those today who've heard the word of God ,but would rather continue listening to themselves thinking they are as great as a god.
and have the power of themselves to decide what is righteous ,they think themselves wise ,but they only know of things which are praised of man ,but have no use in serving God.
they live in darkness seperated from the light ,they only know of their life of darkness.
for the true light of God they don't truly seek .
they are content in the darkness and the life it offers them in all it's ignorance.

God bless.
paul

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Van · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:36 pm Post subject:

I stand corrected, in that I misunderstood your view.

Hell is real, we will receive just recompence for our deeds in the afterlife. Just because lake of fire and such may be metaphors, does not suggest that eternal torment is a metaphor.

Sarah5775 · Newbie Alert Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 3

As a Christian, I have always had a great deal of trouble with the doctrine of Hell. In fact, I once left the church over it. I decided I couldn't worship a God who could send someone to Hell. After much much much agonizing over the subject, prayer, and conversations, this is what I ended up thinking--- I can't remember the author. Hell was, as one person pointed out, meant for the fallen angels, but the other people who go there are those who reject God. They choose to go there. They choose not to accept Jesus. In the end, we all will see the truth and know the truth. And there will be those who ran from God all throughout their lives. They will recoil from Him. Heaven is God's presence- being in His presence all the time- and these people will not WANT that. They will not WANT to be in Heaven. They couldn't stand to be in Heaven for five minutes. As for eternal torment in Hell, I believe that God is the source of all Good. He empowers us to do good and love one-another. Hell is a place completly devoid of His presence. The people there will make their own hell for each other. Hell is a place for people who reject God. And it will be a terrible place to be.

John the Baptist

newstart · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject:

It seems to me that there are people on earth now that have created and are living in a "hell". We were given free will to chose what life we wanted to lead. We were given the choice to either believe or not to believe. I Think it all comes down to choices. Why does hell have to be a place why can't it be a state of mind that some may be experienceing now? Don't some have burning desires? Example; Someone who is addicted to drug and can't wait for the next fix. Wouldn't that be considered a "hell". I don't think God placed them there I believe they chose to be there. They have lost all faith in him and themselves. It is a personal hell. If you have no dreams, desires, passions, or faith even in yourself, Hell is very musch real.

John the Baptist · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:58 am Post subject:

John the Baptist · Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: --IS HELL REAL?--

It seems that we need to see who will go into hell? Will [all] 'folds' escape hell? Is that real TRUE Christian teaching? Here is some posting off subject perhaps a tad bit for some, yet, not for the PARTAKERS of the Rev. 18:4 ones who will exit.
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Pastor N.B. here: (John the Baptist)
Below is a posting that was done on another site. It is about Eternal security. I will give the post to me before that one first, and then the ones to follow. The thought that I would like considered is, how can a Christian believe that ALL folds are Christian? Be sure to understand that we are not talking of.. are there Christians in these folds! Of course there are! OK?
Here is the first post: (by the way, this person does not believe in O.S.A.S. either)

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God has always known who will be saved, [they] are predestined to eternal life.

John, I believe in this, but I don't understand the rest of your hostile rantings. Sarcasm doesn't sit well with me either. There is a way to talk to people you don't know and a way to shut them off from you. Maybe that's why I don't 'hear' you.

I said I would give my opinion once and I have. That's the end of it. If you don't like it, don't read it.
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Subject: --Is 'hell' a loving verdict?--

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OK Will,
So now when one is convinced of this error, and they decide it will not be corrected, they then need 2 Cor. 4:2 to distort! It works for some of the perhaps sincere of the John 10:16 ones. It goes like this. God has always known who will be saved, [they] are predestined to eternal life. Quite a twist, huh? Check the mature decision of Cain in Gen. 4:7 & see if the K.J. is not telling of a three party discussion going on? And whose 'desire' Cain's attention then turned to?

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John here: There is Truth in everything stated above! Regardless if it is knowledgeable (leadership) Baptist with ETERNAL HELL FIRE teaching or myself with the 7th day Sabbath teaching as being still in force. The remark you call ranting is the 'sarcastic' one as I see it. Check James 2:8-12 & Ecc. 12:13-14 with 1 John 2:4. Are these the GodHeads rantings??
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It kind of mixes up the thinking of many true sheep in this wrong fold. But that is just the starting point of their false doctrines. And in regards to His sheep being in these 'other folds', a question arises??? The Master states clearly that 'Other sheep I have which are not of [this fold]; them also [MUST I BRING] ... and there SHALL BE ONE FOLD ... AND ONE SHEPHERD! (and Eph. 4:5 & Rev. 18:4)

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Me again: Is it mean for the Master of His Vineyard telling us in the last day of Increased Knowledge that He has His True Sheep in the wrong FOLD?? See Hosea 4:6. And is it not a 2 Cor. 4:2 un/truth to teach [as doctrine], that He is the SHEPHERD of these folds? If so, then Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse IS ALSO NOT TRUE WORD'S OF THE MASTER'S TEACHING! (God Forbid!)

He states: ".. because they were accursed: NEITHER WILL I BE WITH YOU ANYMORE, *EXCEPT YE DESTROY THE ACCURSED FROM AMONG YOU." (but you are suggesting that by me comparing KNOWN evil Doctrine as such, that I am ranting?) You tell me who takes over when Christ is GONE?? Again Matt. 23:38! DESOLATE of whom?? And in today's setting we still see the truth seen in Matt.16:19 & 18:15-18. Binding in the RECORD BOOKS OF HEAVENLY ZION! Or do you not believe it??? Dan. 7:10's books, the 'whole (loveable) duty of man' Eccl. 12:13-14. And again read the Word in Rev. 3:9 ... "WHICH SAY THY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT" (Rom. 2:28-29) This is a Christian fold?? Hardly!

And AGAIN.. you tell me who takes over my life [IF] I MATURELY & knowingly dis/obey the Masters Words??? Does not Acts 5:32 say that the Holy Spirit is GIVEN TO THEM THAT [OBEY} HIM??? To Grieve & Quince His LEADING (Rom. 8:14) as the Word of God was ALL INSPIRED by, does not cause me to finally have a new leader? As Gen. 4:7 states CLEARLY??

Friend, I suggest that some are [again] misunderstanding the message of True Agape Love as seen in Matt. 10:5-on, the last message of warning to His [OWN] people! (see verse 23)
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The question is, who is their shepherd now?? It is surely stated that Christ is NOT the Shepherd of these false 'folds'! When Christ was put out of His OWN of John 1, He states that it became DESOLATE! (Matt. 23:38) who took over? They even had Christ put to death. Then there arises another text in Rev. 3:9 called the Synagogue of satan. (And surely there were His own even in it, thinking that they were doing God's service. And surely this is all that Christ requires as long as it is done ignorantly while still searching)

Just some thoughts of Rev. 17:5's wine of Babylon.

---John

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Conclusion of my comments:
Are you telling me that all 'folds' are Christian??? That the Rev. 17:5 ones are Christian FOLDS? (denominations) Read the verse again along with Rev. 18:4!! Friend, if this remark is RANTING by my Master, telling HIS SINCERE TRUE SAINTS (HIS PEOPLE) that are YOKED IN MEMBERSHIP WITH DIRTY [OPENLY KNOWN] POLLUTED DOCTRINES & OPEN MORAL FILTH as is [today] documented, and you are saying that it is NOT AN ETERNAL LIFE AND AND ETERNAL DEATH TRUTH & FINAL DECISION to leave it, if this is your or my message? then, whose servant am I found to be serving??? These people WILL BE ETERNALLY LOST the verse states, and you say telling them THIS TRUTH IS RANTING??? And my friend Vic, states to be NICE???? . Letting the WORLD go to Obad. 16 unwarned is NICE???

---John with his 'just some thoughts' of clarification.

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Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 for our provisions on earth, thank you Master!

Nobby · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: Is hell real?

Heaven is real! And so is Hell!
Read Gods word, & believe!
It's not that hard to do. Honest! Wink