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Nineveh Newbie Alert
Joined: 17 Oct 2002
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Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:23 pm Post subject: Is Abortion Wrong? |
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Is Abortion Wrong?
"The right-wing conservative Christian American has up until recent years had a ready answer: 'Of course it's wrong, it's illegal!' Nowadays, that cannot be the answer because the American government and the world in general have written pro-abortion laws, so the anti-abortionist is fighting the system. So the pro-lifers now scream 'Murder!' in order to guilt the sexually active teenager (or her mom) and the doctor. The post-abortion patient reels under this indictment, not understanding the vehemence of these self-proclaimed medical experts. The doctor merely counts his or her money." (quoted from InformationGospel.net)
Read more here at InformationGospel.net
[This message has been edited by Nineveh (edited 10-18-2002).] |
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rahlr Newbie Alert
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:55 am Post subject: Is Abortion Wrong? |
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| Abortion is absolutely wrong. From the time that the sperm hits the egg and fertilizes it, it is a little human. Killing it, therefor, is murder. There is no getting around it. If God didn't want that baby brought in to this world, he never would have allowed the egg to be fertilized. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| prove its human, and not an egg, say, like the ones in your fridge. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:25 am Post subject: |
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J, again.  |
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Glorfindel Tadpole
Joined: 11 Aug 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| I am pretty much anti abortion, at the same time I still struggle with the issue. I have met people who use abortion as a means of birth control. but what if a woman becomes pregnant as a result of being raped. Is abortion still wrong in that circumstance? |
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wasions Tadpole
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: | | prove its human, and not an egg, say, like the ones in your fridge. |
It is quite obviously an egg, though also obviously NOT like the ones in your fridge which don't ever produce human babies. The proof is in the growing. |
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Ryan Newbie Alert
Joined: 11 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:47 pm Post subject: Abortion |
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I agree with rahlr. Once the sperm and egg unite, it is a little human. Killing it is wrong, or at least morally wrong.
In response to Glorfindel: Killing is wrong, period. You should never take the life of another human, no matter what the circumstances. Using abortion as a means of birth control is irresponsible and immoral and should be just as illegal as murder. If a woman becomes pregnant as result of being raped, the child should be put up for adoption. |
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wasions Tadpole
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ryan, while I admire your dedication to pacifism, I must disagree with the conclusion that killing is always wrong. Christ did not condemn soldiers for the job they had to do, but admonished them to use integrity and to be satisfied with their wages. (Luke 3:14)
Killing is an unfortunate by-product of war and justice. It should never be administered as the result of a personal decision, but is the responsibility of the government in it's duty to protect it's citizens. All citizens - including the unborn. |
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Glorfindel Tadpole
Joined: 11 Aug 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Ryan,
Unfortunately I disagree with you. We are talking about a deeply emotive idea. The law says that anyone caught in the act of adultery should be stoned, and what was Jesus response?
I totally disagree with the use of abortion as a method of birthcontrol, and have been in the unfortunate position of supporting someone who grieves for the children she is unable to have.
But I don't think that a woman who is pregnant as the result of rape should be forced to carry a child to term. |
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RevJP Puppy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
    Posts: 214 Location: State of Grace
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | From the time that the sperm hits the egg and fertilizes it, it is a little human. Killing it, therefor, is murder. |
Perhaps you should define human.
| Quote: | | Killing is wrong, period | *I Think Your Mom's Calling...Time To Go Home Now* we should all starve to death, not being able to kill cattle or growing vegatables in order to eat...
| Quote: | | Using abortion as a means of birth control is irresponsible and immoral and should be just as illegal as murder. |
So you are saying abortion is killing and not murder?
Perhaps we should define murder as well....
| Quote: | | but is the responsibility of the government in it's duty to protect it's citizens. All citizens - including the unborn. |
Last time I checked, U.S. citizenship was for those born in the U.S., or those who are granted citizenship through an application and approval process, how can the un-born qualify in either respect? Perhaps just eh idea of a person should be granted citizenship? |
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wasions Tadpole
Joined: 19 Nov 2002
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | From the time that the sperm hits the egg and fertilizes it, it is a little human. Killing it, therefor, is murder. |
Perhaps you should define human.
Read the quote again, Rev. He did.
| Quote: | | Killing is wrong, period | *I Think Your Mom's Calling...Time To Go Home Now* we should all starve to death, not being able to kill cattle or growing vegatables in order to eat...
While Ryan's statement may have been blunt, and to many of us a little short-sighted, your response was inane.
| Quote: | | Using abortion as a means of birth control is irresponsible and immoral and should be just as illegal as murder. |
So you are saying abortion is killing and not murder?
Perhaps we should define murder as well....
Rev, are you implying that there's no difference between killing and murder? (I'm rather unsure what you're trying to say there.) If so, look it up. If not - well, what are you trying to say?
| Quote: | | but is the responsibility of the government in it's duty to protect it's citizens. All citizens - including the unborn. |
Last time I checked, U.S. citizenship was for those born in the U.S., or those who are granted citizenship through an application and approval process, how can the un-born qualify in either respect? Perhaps just eh idea of a person should be granted citizenship? |
You do realize that you're just playing little semmantics games, don't you? Or do you? It's exactly this type of reasoning that has made our judiciary lords over the legislators, to our great ignominy. |
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RevJP Puppy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly; it is not necessary to quote an entire post when replying directly to that post, but you're welcome to do what you wish.
Secondly;
| Quote: | | You do realize that you're just playing little semmantics games, don't you? | I don't believe I am playing games of any sort. The idea was proposed that abortion is wrong. The basic question then becomes "why is it wrong?"
The usual answer to this is: "Because the Bible says it is." Which is patently untrue.
"The Bible says thou shalt not kill." Incorrect as well. The Bible says "Thou shall not commit murder".
So what then, consitutes murder?
I could go on, but this is enough to discuss for now. |
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Douay Tadpole
Joined: 08 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:55 am Post subject: |
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RevJP,
Murder is the intentional premeditated killing of a human being.
I have heard the argument before that it isn't a baby until it's born.
They say that it is just a mass of cells after fertilization that split and multiply. Look in the mirror, real close, you'll see that we are all just a mass of cells.
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RevJP Puppy
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, you see... you assumed I was going to argue the physiological aspects of embryotic development. Which I am not.
What, spiritually and scripturally constitutes murder? What makes murder wrong? Answer me these questions, based on spiritual and scriptural truth, and then connect that with abortion and why it would be considered murder. |
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Glorfindel Tadpole
Joined: 11 Aug 2003
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:02 am Post subject: |
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What, spiritually and scripturally constitutes murder? What makes murder wrong? Answer me these questions, based on spiritual and scriptural truth, and then connect that with abortion and why it would be considered murder. |
Murder is the unlawful killing of someone something. I am concerned about the affects that abortion has on the mother. I don't see that argued very often. |
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