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SilVer Surfer
Not So Newbie
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
Posts: 9
Location: Idaho
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 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: Catholic Church Rules Christianity |
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The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power.
He declared that the day of Christ should not come, "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
And furthermore, the apostle warns his brethren that "the mystery of iniquity doth already work." 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4, 7.
Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church, errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy.
And, the Catholic Church sets the doctrines, that the rest of the Christian world follows....thus coming under their rulership as Romans 6:16 implies.... Romans " 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?" |
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Zathrus
Little Guppy
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
Posts: 31
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Brother Surfer, I recognize this is another of your attempts to lump all of us Christians into two categories:
1.)7th Day Adventists, or
2.) those deceived by the Catholic church/the beast/Babylon the harlot.
May I point something out? | Silver Surfer wrote: | | And, the Catholic Church sets the doctrines, that the rest of the Christian world follows....thus coming under their rulership |
This is not true. The doctrines believed by most Christians I have associated with in all of my life do not at all resemble Catholic doctrine.
We are long past Paul's "great falling away", and there is much more to Christianity today that just the 7th Day Adventists and Babylon and her daughters.
Actually, I've seen striking parallels between Catholic doctrine and 7th Day Adventist doctrine. How is it that both believe in the doctrine of Extra Ecclesia Nulla Sallas? How is it that both believe that salvation is not by faith alone but that works have to be added? If one believed the Catholic church to be Babylon, one would have to conclude that 7th Day Adventism must surely be one of her daughters due to these resemblances. Can you explain these striking similarities? |
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SilVer Surfer
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Joined: 09 Apr 2005
Posts: 9
Location: Idaho
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | And, the Catholic Church sets the doctrines, that the rest of the Christian world follows....thus coming under their rulership |
This is not true. The doctrines believed by most Christians I have associated with in all of my life do not at all resemble Catholic doctrine. [/quote]
Sunday worship services come from the Catholic Church....
as does the doctrine of man having a Immortal soul....as the Rapture theory....ect..ect.
THe Catholic church admits to changing God's Laws !
The Bible tells us they did it !
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Actually, I've seen striking parallels between Catholic doctrine and 7th Day Adventist doctrine. How is it that both believe in the doctrine of Extra Ecclesia Nulla Sallas? |
OK !
You got me.
What it that, as I've never heard of it, much less can even pronounce it ?
| Quote: | | How is it that both believe that salvation is not by faith alone but that works have to be added? |
SDA do not teach works 'have 'to be' added.
works are the result of faith...just as scripture says..... James 2:14 "What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead ?"
So...the those who love Jesus Christ show their 'FAITH'....by keeping God's Law of Liberty.
They show their faith in Christ, by obeying exactly, what He says to do.
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If one believed the Catholic church to be Babylon, one would have to conclude that 7th Day Adventism must surely be one of her daughters due to these resemblances. Can you explain these striking similarities? |
How can they be similar when the Catholic church changed God's Laws (Daniel 7:25....'think to change times and laws').
It is 'ONLY' the SDA church and the 7th Day Baptist church that follows God's laws...as scripture says..... Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus".
No church, that holds Sunday worship services, can fit that description, but, the SDA church & the 7th Day Baptist church. |
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Zathrus
Little Guppy
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
Posts: 31
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| SilVer Surfer wrote: | Sunday worship services come from the Catholic Church....
as does the doctrine of man having a Immortal soul....as the Rapture theory....ect..ect. |
Most of the Christians I've known over the years will worship on any day, it does not matter to them. Some of them question the immortal soul teaching, having read the passages in the Bible that seem to indicate an end of consciousness at death for some.
And the rapture! Brother, you don't know how many charismatic/Pentecostal Christians have begun to see that something else is being talked about in the passages that describe the "catching up" of the saints. And many mainstream denominations have never taught it. The "secret rapture" or pre-tribulational rapture doctrine is exclusive to premillenialism and dispensationalism, which are mainly embraced by many fundamentalists, and many but by no means all charismatics and Pentecostals.
| SilVer Surfer wrote: | | THe Catholic church admits to changing God's Laws ! |
Maybe.
| SilVer Surfer wrote: | | The Bible tells us they did it ! |
You mean the verse in Daniel about some king who will "think to change times and laws?" It's a huge assumption saying that's talking about the Catholic church. There is nothing there positively identifying them. You can believe that if you like, but there is no reason I or anyone else should, without any proof.
| SilVer Surfer wrote: | | What it that, as I've never heard of it, much less can even pronounce it ? |
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus= outside the church there is no salvation. |
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SilVer Surfer
Not So Newbie
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
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Location: Idaho
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | Most of the Christians I've known over the years will worship on any day, it does not matter to them. |
I know, and to them, Jesus Christ asks the question: Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?" |
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Zathrus
Little Guppy
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| SilVer Surfer wrote: | | I know, and to them, Jesus Christ asks the question: Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?" |
Oh please.  Just goes to show what I said in a thread on another board. If there is someone out there who's keeping all the commandments religiously, they're probably doing exactly that: keeping them religiously - full of self righteousness and spiritual snobbery.
We worship God in Spirit and in Truth, and Jesus calls us the true worshippers. We're doing exactly what the Lord said. I know the true nature of the Sabbath of God's people, and I've posted it on the Viewpoints and the Bible Discussion forums. It's time I posted it here too.
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Nobby
Board - Admin
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Posts: 278
Location: Palmyra,Missouri USA
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | It's time I posted it here too. |
Have at it bro. |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
Posts: 51
Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Same two peas in a pod, huh? 
But, it seems that the Revelation 17:1-5 verse calls these ones 'harlot daughters' of the mother fold. And most protestants of yester/year had no problem telling anyone very quickly who the first 4 verses represented. And now??? They are all harlot bed/partners verse 5 says. Which we call the Word of God, huh?
Yet, a very important text is passed by, by all of these daughter folds. It is the mandatory requirement that all of these folds 'members' [as folds], are Christless! (as is Rome)
Other wise, why is it an eternal life or eternal death matter for [Christ's own] to vacate said membership if He is their leader? See Rev. 3:9!! Revelation 18:4 is a fatal choice if neglected!!
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Zathrus
Little Guppy
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| John the Baptist wrote: | | But, it seems that the Revelation 17:1-5 verse calls these ones 'harlot daughters' of the mother fold. |
John, do you have any idea how you look to others when you call anyone you disagree with the child of a spiritual harlot? You did it again on the Viewpoints board today. Please, have some decency.
| John the Baptist wrote: | | And most protestants of yester/year had no problem telling anyone very quickly who the first 4 verses represented. |
You mean they had no problem deciding who they thought the first few verses of Rev 17 were talking about. But some knew better. Some let scripture, not historical events, interpret scripture. They saw that her in whom was found the blood of prophets and of saints was the same as the one Jesus said was guilty of all the righteous blood shed on the earth. |
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