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RevJP Puppy
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Luk 22:44 And being in an agony [of mind], He prayed [all the] more earnestly and intently, and His sweat became like great clots of blood dropping down upon the ground. AMP
Luk 22:44 and having been in agony, he was more earnestly praying, and his sweat became, as it were, great drops of blood falling upon the ground. YLT
Hmmm... I don't know. Could have been a simile, could also have been a description of Him sweating blood. Forensically, it is understandable that He would have sweated blood. Linguistically it doesn't follow that Luke would have used a simile in this instance, it is unlike his writing style for the most part.
Bottom line is: Does it make a difference or are we just having this discussion for the fun of it? |
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t-shirtsnjeans Tadpole
Joined: 13 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if He were sweating drops of blood, did He clean Himself off before He woke up the disciples? Could you imagine the fear of seeing blood all over Jesus before His trial? That's the part that would be confusing.
I know that the visual of either is so powerful, 'Take this cup from My hand, but not My will be done but Yours,', wow!!! I'd be doing more than just sweating!  |
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RevJP Puppy
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Well, if He were sweating drops of blood, did He clean Himself off before He woke up the disciples? | I wouldn't be able to answer that for sure becasue scriptue doesn't say. I could assume that the disciples saw it or otherwise Luke would not have been able to write about it.
I suppose it really is kind of like asking if Jesus ever went to the bathroom. It doesn't say so in scripture, nor does it need to. We can assume He did at some point or another, but we understand it really makes no difference in the long run. |
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Lone-Traveler Little Guppy
Joined: 15 Nov 2005
  Posts: 33 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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I read this like this....
Lev 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
The house is the body of man. the two birds are the Holy Spirit of God and the spirit in man. Cedar wood is the Cross, Scarlet is the blood of the sacrifice, and hyssop is the living water.
Lev 14:50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
The bird that is killed is the spirit in man. The earthen vessel is the flesh of man. Running water.. is many people.
Lev 14:51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
He shall take the cross, the water, and the blood, and the Holy Spirit, and dip them in the blood of the slain flesh and many people.
seven times. seven ages, seven churches?
Lev 14:52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
The new house/tabernacle/body shall be cleansed by the blood of the sacrifice with many people and with the Holy Spirit. With the cross and the water and the blood.
Lev 14:53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
And the Holy Spirit will be set free to work around the world, to be a sacrifice and mediator for the body/church/tabernacle, And it shall be clean/purified/sanctified...
Now if you compare the old testament with the new testament. And you look for the deeper meanings, then it all comes together. And I don't find any conflict among them.
I also see Abraham offering up Isaac in the above verses too.
I see Adam as the blood Eve as the water, God in the Garden is the Holy Spirit. Abel is the bird given for a sacrifice and Cain is the one who is to come to repentance and be saved. Recieve the Holy Spirit and Live and join the body, house, tabernacle. The wood is whatever Cain slew able with representing the cross.
I believe we are all firstborn as Cain, and when we believe God, then we are able to accept the sacrifice that abel made for our sins.
But until that time we are sent out into the world to learn the ways of repentance. Not to be killed by others but to learn how to destroy our own selfish Spirit and accept the Holy Perfect Spirit of God.
Thus the mark on Cain signifying his searching for truth. And those who recieve that mark are those the Holy Spirit seals. And those who do not search out and seek truth bare a mark also. The mark of unbelief.
That's how I see it....
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Joman Newbie Alert
Joined: 15 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "Inerrancy... in no way diminishes the human authorship of scripture. |
God, the one who inspires; is the author, not the one who merely copies down the message.
| Quote: | | If what the authors of Scripture penned was indeed under the supernatural influence and guidance of the Holy Spirit (as is properly affirmed), then since God is true, what they wrote and affirmed is in all ways true as well. |
Again, there is only one author of scripture.
| Quote: | | Thus inerrancy applies to the autographa... |
The autographa no longer exist.
| Quote: | | ...and... copies insofar as they faithfully reproduce the . |
Which is endlessly debated by scholars.
| Quote: | | The doctrine rightly teaches that the scriptures are without error in all that they affirm (i.e., properly interpreted), whether they refer to geographical, historical, or theological issues. |
Why isn't this doctrine of inerrancy being presented with a scriptural foundation?
| Quote: | | Thus the scriptures are the final authority in matters of faith and practice and take precedence over tradition, culture, and creed. |
This sentence supposes that the final authority of scripture is based upon the preceeding reasoning. This is contrary to scripture in itself. The truth is that Truth, is a person, not a thing. And, all the authority that the Bible possesses comes from the author.
| Quote: | | This doctrine also allows for different literary styles, poor grammar, approximations in numbers, etc. (Psalm 119). |
This heathen doctrine (as presented above) is founded on the sinking sands of unbelief. It has only one purpose....COMPROMISE.
Anyone of real faith who believed that God supernaturally inspired the penning of all his scripture would have no problem believing that the very same God supernaturally preserved the very same scriptures. And, a faithful person would also believe that the God who was able to translate his word faithfully into about sixteen different languages on the day of Pentecost, even as the speaker spoke, would have no problem translating his word into all other languages as needed for the publishing of his book.
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Nobby Board - Admin
Joined: 03 Oct 2003
    Posts: 284 Location: Palmyra,Missouri USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Good post Joman. I havn't seen your posts much anymore. Don't ya like us anymore? Just kidding. Glad to have on board!  |
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