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Abortion is the taking of a life with out reason


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larrye
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2002 10:26 pm    Post subject: Abortion is the taking of a life with out reason Reply with quote

Christians know abortion is wrong, taking a life at any time is against G_D and the teaching in scripture. Taking a life of a unborn child is a violation of everything G_D tells us. We as Christians can not see abortion as a value in any form.

Physically stopping the people who perform the abortions may be just as wrong.

Killing or destroying others because we do not believe in what they are doing is not our choice.

I believe G_D is in control and will judge those who do wrong.

It is difficult to say there is little I can do to make a difference, my vote changes little, my voice is mute against the shouts of the crowd.

My peace comes when I KNOW G_D know all. And Jesus will return soon.
This is a vital issue, how do you cope when you hear "Abortion"

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mutt
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 11:14 am    Post subject: Abortion is the taking of a life with out reason Reply with quote

Well said.
To clarify, physically attacking someone who performs abortions is wrong.
How can a person kill in order to prove the value of life?

Man is wicked in his heart, before the Lord returns, it will be like the time of Noah,
(Gen 6-7) Man practices wickedness day and night.
The world we live in has been given over to its sinful desires.

As far as paybacks:
Vengence is mine says the Lord, I will repay.
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J
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prove its a life, first off, and different from, say, fingernails.
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RevJP
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Christians know abortion is wrong, taking a life at any time is against G_D and the teaching in scripture. Taking a life of a unborn child is a violation of everything G_D tells us. We as Christians can not see abortion as a value in any form.


Thank you for speaking for all Christians. I did not realize you were the oracle of God Himself.

Taking a life at anytime is against God...? Do you eat meat, vegetables? By doing so you are guilty of taking life by association, is this then a sin?
Taking of an unborn life... where is this shown as a violation of everything God tells us?
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Douay
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prove it isn't a life when they pull the baby 95% of the way out of the woman, stab it in the head with scissors and suck its brains out. Why would they do that to something that isn't alive. Furthermore, wouldn't the baby have been born, unless you are going to say that since it is still 5% unborn it isn't born yet. How often do we describe things by traits that they portray most of the time. Football players don't play football without cessation. Alcoholics aren't always drunk. Those are just the most notable characteristics of that person. As far as that baby goes, it is mostly out in the world, and any reasonable person would consider it born.

Douay
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paul
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to revjp
animals and plants were put there by God to be killed for food thats their main purpose.
an unborn child has the potential of being a child of God and could do many great things, have we the right to prevent this possibility.
you could compare this to someone who has never heard the word of God by not knowing of God they've never had the choice to be one of his children but once they've heard his word they have the choice for themselves.
are we to take away someones choice before they have the ability to choose.
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Nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:52 pm    Post subject: Abortion Reply with quote

Rev wrote:
Taking of an unborn life... where is this shown as a violation of everything God tells us?


Rev, are you comparing an unborn human life to a pound of hamburger or a can of veggies Question Smile
Nobby
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RevJP
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, let me just remind everyone that I am merely questioning what they consider to be truths. I am not advocating any position other than the idea that what you believe to be true may not be.

Nobby:
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Rev, are you comparing an unborn human life to a pound of hamburger or a can of veggies


Nobby, you should know by now what I am comparing and not comparing. what I am addressing is this:

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Taking a life at anytime is against God...?

This statement, in and of itself, is not truthful. I would encourage any and all who hold a position to qualify thier position, to maintain honesty, and clarity in thier POV. To say taking a life at anytime is against God is untrue. Qualify it and say "Taking a human life at anytime is against God" Then be prepared to answer the miriad of questions that statement will raise - such as capitol punishment, etc.

Be honest in what you believe, be honest in what you say, and be slow to anger in your responses and slow to make assumptions about someone or someone's POV based on questions they ask you.
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Nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:31 pm    Post subject: Abortion Reply with quote

Rev, I new what you ment Bro. That line just came thru my mind, next thing I new it was in the post! Wink

Thanks Rev I agree with you. Good post.
Nobby
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RevJP
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I do appreciate your clarification in that line Nobby. It often helps when one asks the smart**s questions to get that stumbling block out of the way Laughing

BTW Wink a newborn often does look like a pound of hamburger.... ugly little screechers.....
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Nobby
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody said that I was rather ugly when I was a newborn, all except my mom, Very Happy Very Happy
But I think I turned out rather handsome! Just check out my pix! Wink

Abortion, I won't argue the matter, but I'm again abortion, period!
Had it not been for abortion, I would now have an 18yr old grandson. Three years after my daughter got married I found out.
It tore my heart out! After they got married they tried & tried to have a baby. After 7yrs of tring they had a little girl.
I'm not argueing when it becomes a human being. I'm just saying if you leave the fetus alone it will be a little baby, for someone to love.
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Armageddon
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!

There has been much discussion whether abortion is right or wrong. Our heart's belief is our own personal matter and not a matter of other people. What I personally believe to be right or wrong has nothing to do with facts. I've been reading the messages on this board and found them mostly void of substance and proof. Not even one of them had any Biblical passage to offer. Just lots of personal assumptions without substance. Some of you assume that abortion is the same as murder, thus the punishment should be carried out accordingly. But what does God say about abortion?

Even though there isn't any passage referring directly to the modern issue of abortion, there are intelligent clues given, that in my view are clear enough.


EXODUS 21
...
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,...

Several important things can be plucked out of that passage. For the first, God sees the death of the fruit in the womb as serious, yet not equal to full-grown human life. The penalty for the "abortion" is not death, but is rather left to the mercy of the husband and the judges. For the second, it is clear that God doesn't equal the life of the mother with the life of the fruit. If she would die, then the penalty would be obviously death, not otherwise.

I hope this message will be an eye-opener for some and an invitation to search the scriptures for others.
//thanks for your attention Smile
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Nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armageddon, thank you for the post. That will get members to studying, myself included.

Armageddon, "welcome" I'm glad to have you with us. Make your self at home & post a lot. We're small in number but that's going to change!
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RevJP
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only issue with the verse you posted is that it refers to events after birth, not during. The fruit departs from her... after birth.
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Nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If men strive, and hurt a woman with child,


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a woman with child,

How many times have you ever heard this when with child didn't mean a pregnant woman. It means if man ( to hit her maybe in the stomach) were to hurt her & cause her to loose her baby he will surly be punished.
Pease
Nobby
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