salvation

ragman13 · Tadpole Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 15

I have a question that I have been thinking about lately. Can a person be saved if they believe that Jesus was deity but say I don't know what kind of deity; I know that He died on the cross for my sins?

Plotinus · Not So Newbie Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 6

ragman13 · Tadpole Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 15

I honestly don't know. I believe that the Bible teaches the Trinity but can understand how some others have problems with it.

luvnlife · Goldfish Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 59

I don't believe that Jesus is a God. I believe God is Jesus' Father.

I still believe, however, that Jesus is to be revered.

I believe God is to be worshipped and Jesus is to be Revered.

Is that kind of what you are asking?

Love, Luv Smile

ragman13 · Tadpole Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 15

luvinlife said

Plotinus · Not So Newbie Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 6

ragman13 · Tadpole Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 15

It’s not really the doctrine I am concerned with as much as the salvation of others. I feel that I don't need to waste my time arguing with those that are saved about what they believe, but then also I need to argue if they are denying essentials of salvation and teaching others that also.

Plotinus · Not So Newbie Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 6

rst · Tadpole Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 21

RevJP · Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:28 am Post subject:

Interesting discussion thusfar. I am having trouble in nailing down the specifics of what is in question though.

In terms of essential doctrine I offer this brief on the Gospel:

The Gospel

1. Christ is Lord (Rom. 10:9). Jesus Christ is truly God, and yet is a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit (Jn. 1:1, 14, 5:18, 8:24; Mat. 28:19).

2. All have sinned against God and fall short of His glory (Rom. 3:23). We are dead in our sins (Eph. 2:1-3).

3. God loves us while we are yet sinners (Jn. 3:16, Rom. 5:8).

4. Christ died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:3, 1 Jn. 4:14). He assumed a human nature (Jn. 1:14, Rom. 8:3, Phil. 2:6-11) and lived a sinless life (2 Cor. 5:21, Heb. 4:15, 5:9, 7:26, 1 Pet. 1:18-19, 1 Jn. 3:5). At the cross, He provided:a) Atonement (propitiation, reconciliation), a penal substitution, an offering of sacrifice, a price paid (Rom. 5:8-11). The atonement secured the application of:
b) Redemption, the payment of a ransom (Mk. 10:45, Heb. 9:15), “buying back” from the bondage of sin (1 Cor. 6:20, 7:23, Gal. 1:4).

5. Christ was raised on the third day (Rom. 6:4-7, 1 Cor. 15:4, 20-22), and ascended into heaven after forty days (Acts 1:2-3, 9-11, 2:33, 1 Tim. 3:16), and was enthroned at the right hand of God (Mk. 16:9, Eph. 1:20, Heb. 1:3) where He constantly makes intercession for His people (Rom. 8:34, Heb. 9:24, 1 Jn. 2:1) until He returns as Judge (Mat. 24:30-31, 25:31-32, Jn. 5:22, 27, Acts 10:42, 17:31).

6. Regeneration, a new birth (Jn. 3:3, Tit. 3:5) that makes us new creatures in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17) through the work of the Holy Spirit (Jn. 3:5-8).

7. Faith (Rom. 3:25, 4:5, 10:9). Saving faith consists not merely of knowledge and belief (Mat. 13:20-21, Ja. 2:19-20) but of trust (2 Cor. 1:9-10), self-surrender (Lk. 9:23, Gal. 2:20), and obedience (Rom. 6:17, 16:25-26). Faith is not a result of our own endeavor, but is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8). Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon Him alone for salvation (Jn. 14:6, Acts 4:12).a) We are saved by grace, not by works: Faith alone (Rom. 3:28, 4:5 Gal. 2:16).

b) Confess with the tongue Christ as Lord (Rom. 10:9).

8. Repentance (Mat. 4:17, 10:7; Lk. 4:43, 24:46-47, 13:3, 5).True repentance represents a turning to God, a turning from evil, and an intent to serve God (1 Thess. 1:9). It involves the intellectual recognition of sin (Rom. 3:20), an emotional change of feeling for sin committed against a holy and just God (2 Cor. 7:9-10), and a willful turning away from sin (Acts 26:18, 20, 1 Pet. 3:11).

9. Justification, a forensic (i.e. legal) declaration of acquittal that excludes all possibility of condemnation (Rom. 5:1, 19, 8:33-34), providing salvation from the wrath of God (Rom. 5:9). We are justified by grace through faith (Rom. 3:24-25). Justification is by the imputation of Christ’s righteousness: As our sins were reckoned to Christ, so Christ’s righteousness is reckoned to us (Phil. 3:9).

10. Adoption into the family of God (Jn. 1:12, Gal 4:4-7, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 9:15), into a union with Christ (Rom. 6:5, 7:4) where we have peace with God (Rom. 5:1) and eternal life (Jn. 3:15).

11. Sanctification [positional], to be set apart, to be made holy. A status conferred not by moral transformation but by the sacrifice of Christ (Heb. 10:10).

12. Progressive sanctification, an ongoing process that conforms us to the image of Christ (Phil. 2:13, 2 Cor. 3:18, Heb. 12:14, 2 Pet. 3:18).

13. Perseverance through divine preservation. God, through the Spirit, secures the final salvation of all true believers (Jn. 6:37-40, 10:28-29, Rom. 8:39-39, Phil. 1:6, 1 Pet. 1:5).

14. Glorification, redemption of the physical body. (Rom. 8:23, 1 Cor. 15:53, 2 Cor. 3:18, Phil. 3:20-21). We will be like Christ (1 Jn. 3:2) and will dwell with Him (Rev. 21:3-4) for eternity (Mat. 25:46).

rst · Tadpole Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 21

RevJP · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:51 am Post subject:

Scripture disagrees with you.

rst · Tadpole Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 21

RevJP · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject:

who's we?

rst · Tadpole Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 21