One True God Manifesting Himself in Three Unique Ways

MoJo · Big Guppy Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 48 Location: Canada

maybe the three stooges. I'm Mo Very Happy

shepreach · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject:

im larry!!! Very Happy

so nobby must be curly. Wink

Nobby

Don't I look curly Exclamation

Cool huh! 8)
Shucks we forgot the topic again! Wink

shepreach · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:24 pm Post subject:

yeah, but at least we're talking to each other! Very Happy

Nobby · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:54 am Post subject: Trinity

Hi MoJo,
I still believe in trinity, & my church believes in trinity.
But I respect your belief either way. Very Happy

The way I see it, it could be either way Question

shepreach · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:50 am Post subject:

the trinity is a hard doctrine to understand. i am a trinitarian, and i do believe that God manifests in 3 different ways, but i'm not sure i can separate them enough to make 3 different persons(as in living beings) i tend more toward personalities or works than persons. where mojo and i disagree is that Jesus is a created being who was created at creation. to me Jesus is a part of God the father.

MoJo · Big Guppy Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 48 Location: Canada

This is where it gets difficult to convey meaning with mere words. Everyone is a part of the Father. Everyone is a part of Adam and Eve. The difference between your beliefs and my beliefs is that the trinity maintains that God always existed in 3 parts whereas I lean toward believing Jesus came forth from his Father in some way we would describe as birth or creation. But certainly he was of the Father. I think you could describe it as the moment of conciousness of being an individual. The problem in seeing this is because he is the express image of his Father. In our language, we would actually call it cloning. The argument for cloning however, is that the clone does not become exactly the same person because their experiences are different. Remember the Eccl. scriptures which tell us there is nothing new under the sun. Perhaps man is able to conceive of ideas such as cloning because we are made in God's image. Very Happy

shepreach · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:51 pm Post subject:

it's a trinity in the fact that one God manifests in 3 different ways. i'm not sure they are 3 separate parts. they would all have been there at creation because they are all the father. but if you saw them physically, you'd only see one person. the same would be true with Jesus. he was a pinch of the father planted in a human womb to be born as a human being. when you saw Jesus you didn't see the other 2 but they were there. spirit's can't be seen(don't hold me to this) when they're inside a human body. and the body was God. now we don't see any one but we know the Spirit is active in us which means the other 2 are too. if we saw the Spirit that is in us we still would only see one. and when we get to heaven there won't be a trio there to meet us. we'll see one God.
all of this is supposing we're christians of course. and you're right about words being inadequate.

metothezero · Tadpole Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 28

MoJo · Big Guppy Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 48 Location: Canada

Shouldn't you be studying for exams or something Question

shepreach · Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject:

meto wrote:

metothezero · Tadpole Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 28

shepreach · Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject:

changing forms isn't all there is, is it ? you may only see 1 and you may only talk about 1 when you're speaking of their work. but all 3 are there. notice i didn't say God changed His name every time he wanted to do something different. i really don't think Jesus is the Father but He is a chip off the old block--that alone makes Him God. The Spirit is a part of both. manifest means to make visible doesn't it ? while there were 3 at Jesus baptism, only one was seen. i know, there was a dove and it represented the Spirit, but what was seen was a bird not a Spirit or God.
and the voice was only heard so it wasn't visible either.

metothezero · Tadpole Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 28

shepreach · Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject:

i see what you are saying. let me try again. the creation story starts in the beginning God... it says nothing about in the beginning Jesus or in the beginning the Spirit even though we know they were a part of it. therefore what you would see, what would be manifest, if you were observing the creation would be the Father. but because there is one God in 3 parts the rest of God had to be there too. where?

i've heard the trinity compared to mankind. God = Father, Son and Spirit. man= body, mind and spirit. don't think it's a good comparison but it does make a kind of sense.

more later. gotta go!