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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
Posts: 51
Location: 'in the wilderness'
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 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well, what you 'think' is not comprehended in the least bit by me. And the reason is that I do not read minds, nor care to.
But about the Heb. 4 'Rest'? Surely we can know enough to forget mans chapter number 4 & include the rest of the Everlasting Gospel. But chapter 3 will do for now. 
Verse 14 states: "For we are made partakers of Christ, [IF WE HOLD THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE STEDFAST UNTO THE END;]
And verse 6?
"But Christ as a Son over His own house; [whose house are we, IF WE HOLD FAST THE CONFIDENCE AND REJOICING OF HOPE FIRM UNTO THE END]."
And verse 10? "Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; ..." But how did they err in their HEART?
See 2 Cor. 3:3's EPISTLE or letter of Christ.
Forum: You go read it. Exodus 16.
You are correct in your Love definition of REST 'IN' CHRIST! For forty years Christ TESTED these ones as well as we, to see [IF] we HAVE THE LOVE THAT HE REQUIRES of us to be safe to save! Or if we are as they, and just give lip service? Their actions spoke for their Love relationship. See James 2. (try Rev. 3:16-17's SPEWED OUT SICKENING [TO CHRIST] ONES!  )
But notice forum, that in verse 4 we see God telling us that He would "PROVE THEM, WHETHER THEY WILL WALK IN MY LAW OR NO."
He says MY LAW! (EVERLASTING COVENANT Heb. 13:20)
It is then that for the FORTY YEARS THEY [WERE TESTED] ON JUST THE ONE SABBATH COMMANDMENT to see [IF] they were IN CHRIST'S [REST]!
This REQUIRES OBEDIENCE TO HIS WRITTEN TABLES OF STONE.
Notice verse 26-30. They (and who?) were TESTED on only this ONE COMMANDMENT to see if they were {IN} Christ! See Rom. 8:1. And by breaking this [one commandment] God says: "And it came to pass, that THERE WENT SOME of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
And the [LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, HOW LONG **REFUSE YE TO KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND MY LAWS?]" And surely, the ONLY MOTIVE for the [correct] answer to this question, Christ told was [IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS]".
BEING [IN] CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE TOTAL REST! OBEDIENCE!! See Acts 5:32
By the way: I was asked this question by one here on the board. Does not keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath mean that one does not love the Lord? Now, if the question was ask [me personally], I would answer yes.
That means.. as not to be confussed, that this is MY PERSONAL CONVICTION for [ME]!! There are other verses such as in John 10:16 or Rev. 18:4.
Yet, it is interesting that verse 35 tells of this being the T-E-S-T just befor entering their Land of Canaan. We too are looking to enter our heavenly land of Canaan!  And we too will have a 666 TESTING to see ... [IF] YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS? And the testing will be on just this one Sabbath Commandment to see if we are safe to save throughout all of eternity! Na. 1:9
How so you ask? Well, Lets see if you really BELIEVE the Master's Words in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15? |
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MoJo
Big Guppy
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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Location: Canada
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Pastor NB, don't you think we have to take the broader and more spiritual meaning of what the sabbath means? To cease from all our own works and enter into Jesus' rest? The similitudes and examples we were given through literal events like Moses were also symbolic and shadows and forerunners of future spiritual events. Jer 17: 21 - 27 is a prophecy with the Lord telling us to bring no burden through the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day and to do no work therein. It says we will enter the gates on the sabbath day. It cannot possibly mean a day every week.
Romans 14:6 plainly tells us that it does not matter whether we esteem or don't esteem any particular day as long as we do it with the full faith and confidence that we are glorifying God either way.
The sabbath is a day of rest and Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. It is therefore important to clearly define what resting in Jesus means. God himself rested on the sabbath. I think it would be illogical to suggest God rested once a week according to our timeframe of seven 24 hour days.  |
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John the Baptist
Little Goldfish
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
Posts: 51
Location: 'in the wilderness'
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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***Hi, let me jump in between your missive & make comment, ok?
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| MoJo wrote: | Pastor NB, don't you think we have to take the broader and more spiritual meaning of what the sabbath means? To cease from all our own works and enter into Jesus' rest? The similitudes and examples we were given through literal events like Moses were also symbolic and shadows and forerunners of future spiritual events.
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In the above thinking we surely understand 'lust' in ones heart or 'hate' of anyone to be as the Lord states, right? How could one be spiritual & not have the Holy Ghost? See Acts. 5:32. In other words [is it] possible to be spiritual without OBEDIENCE? Surely not. And to HAVE CHRIST'S EPISTLE IN OUR HEART & NOT BE SPIRITUAL? 2 Cor. 3:3
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Jer 17: 21 - 27 is a prophecy with the Lord telling us to bring no burden through the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day and to do no work therein. It says we will enter the gates on the sabbath day. It cannot possibly mean a day every week.
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Jer. 17:21-27? This is for the ones that Christ called 'His own'. They were in a probationary time period. Will you understand this remark?? Remember the chapter numbers & such are an addition of man. So let me just give some verses for what additional problems the Virgin Fold had. (and as you rightfully say, this is also prophecy)
Jer. 17:5 finds: "Cursed be the man that trusteth [in] man, and maketh flesh [his arm], and whose heart [departeth from the Lord]."
Surely these ones are [In] sad shape! (see Rom. 8:1 & ARE NOT IN CHRIST!)
In chapter 15:15-20 if one reads slowly & prayerfully they will see Jeremiah with GOD GIVEN ORDERS! Notice verse 17-19. What is the COMMAND of God to Jeremiah? SEPERATION!!
Now look at chapter 18:5 & 9 with wide open Rom. 8:14 'LED OF THE HOLY GHOST' EYES.
First: the True Fold at this time/frame has NO PEACE! That is a Word of God FACT. And verse 6 tells us what will be the fate of all except the REMNANT of chapter 15:11 But, WHO is our peace?? When Cain rebelled SPIRITUALLY & PHISICALLY in Gen. 4:6-7, who took over as his [NEW] desire? In Matt. 23:38 when the Virgin Fold became DESOLATE OF CHRIST (The UNIVERSE'S PEACE see John 15:5's last part of verse) who came to them as their new LEADER? And in Rev. 3:9 one might understand that ANY CHRISTLESS FOLD is 'led' by the Rev. 17:5 'm'aster. (see Eph. 6:12 for starters)
Surely this was & is not ONLY spiritual! Notice Jeremiah 9 verse 16, & see if you can tell me who it is that is to CEASE out of this place? Seems like the Bridegroom might be found in Matt. 25?
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Romans 14:6 plainly tells us that it does not matter whether we esteem or don't esteem any particular day as long as we do it with the full faith and confidence that we are glorifying God either way.
The sabbath is a day of rest and Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. It is therefore important to clearly define what resting in Jesus means. God himself rested on the sabbath. I think it would be illogical to suggest God rested once a week according to our timeframe of seven 24 hour days. |
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If you want comment on the above, let me know? It is hard to tell if we are corresponding in our understanding? Such as your Rom. 14:6 word used .. PLAINLY??
If one reads the content of the chapter they 'might' see that this was NO mention towards the Sabbath that Christ WROTE in the God/Heads EVERLASTING COVENANT? See Heb. 13:20.
You did understand what happened to the ones in the Virgin FOLD of Exodus 16 that BROKE GODS COVENANT? GOD IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND [FOREVER]! HE CHANGETH NOT! And take note that Exodus 20 comes in a few chapters on. |
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